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Disgraceful, but not suprising.

Before I begin I want to establish that under no circumstances do I condone the actions of the mindless minority last night. They may be fans in the eyes of the media, but fans of what I don’t know. Certainly not football. Man on man action I guess?

I’m a season ticket holder at Upton Park for I don’t know how many years, I was at the game last night and these are my toughts.

Disgraceful, but not suprising.

Before I left from my office I spent some time reading around the forums of both sets of fans. However it wasone Millwall firm forum (remaining nameless) that particularly caught my eye. My original plan was to simply try and find out the safest ways to travel to the game as I was on my own. I didn’t want to be there too early, for fear of the prematch violence and not too late for fear of getting caught up with any police escorts of fans. Fine line.

It begs the question, should there have been more prevention rather than reaction from the police?

What I found though was that for a good hour or two before I left I was able to see where exactly trouble was either currently happening, or going to happen. Rumours quickly spread across the forum in question that West Ham had travelled south across the river to meet Millwall at their place. An indication of this from a West Ham firm member on there simply posting, “SUPRISE”. Equally pubs and locations were being hinted at as to where the two firms would meet. There were a lot of mumerings and rumours circulating to, but the intentions and plans were there for all to see.

And as the forum described, the violence unravelled.

It was only by the grace of God that I missed my tube from work to Upton Park. Had I picked the correct train, I would have been spat out at Upton Park half an hour before KO, the exact time that the major reported violence erupted on Green Street. As it happens I sat angrily on a train at Plaistow for half an hour and missed KO by 5mins, little did I know.

This was a pre-empted, planned, organised meeting between the firms of one of the most bitterly disputed rivalries in the world. It begs the question, should there have been more prevention rather than reaction from the police?

The police and the stewards

Firstly, I belive those police and stewards who were in the ground did a fantastic job. Based on what I saw, I can’t applaud them enough. However, why was there not more of them? My sympathies really lie with the stewards who were having to do the job of trained riot police…without the training, without the protection and without a baton. We’re not talking burly stewards either, but ordinary people trying to make a living, men and women alike. It could have been any of your husbands, wives or children out there…just because they have that flourescent jacket on, it doesn’t make them any different from you or me.

I just do not understand why when it was clear on about the hour mark, that in the ground hostile verbal exchanges were fast escalating into hostile physical changes, they didn’t replace the stewards with rows and rows of riot police and trained crowd control specialists. In fact, why that wasn’t the case from the start. It is beyond me.

My only thought is that perhaps so many resources were expended dealing with the trouble outside the ground, that more man power wasn’t available inside.

Apart from the lack of staff and security available, there are some other questions that are sitting heavy with me this morning:

Why move the fans closer together?

This is something else that coimpletely baffled me. At half time, the powers that be decided to widen the Millwall allocation so that the distance betwen the Millwall fans and the East Stand was reduce by an enitre block. Perhaps it was due to overcrowding, it’s certainly the only logical solution I can think of. But overcrowded or not, it seems to me a grave misjudgement of the situation to actually move the fans closer together…you couldn’t make it up.

They were moved to a distance where every personal insult being hurled in either direction could be heard. I personally saw this as a move that insighted violence and simply achieved nothing but increasing the temperature in an already overheated pressure pot. I said to my brother half way through the second half that you could see a physical difference in the crowd behaviour.

Why not put the Millwall fans in the top tier?

The bottom tier contained around 2,300 Millwall fans. The top contained none.

Not just no Millwall fans, but no fans at all.

My question is why didn’t they place the away fan allocation in the top tier only? Keep the flanks of the tier empty too, as in the bottom half? I’m not a police officer, I don’t make these decisions, but I would love to know their reasoning because as far as I’m concerned this would surely have buffered any crowd trouble – by simply limiting the access to opposing fans to a minimum – making it worthless even trying to get at each other.

Do not tar us all with the same brush

I would like to conclude with the following video. It’s the penalty from Stanislas and the subsequent pitch invasion. At 1min 30sec please listen to the reaction of the fans who remained in their seats. I stress that the events of last night were from a mindless, organised few whose sole intention was to fight. There may have not been a game of football on for all they care.

UPDATE:

I did not see nothing

So the Millwall manager has also come out to say that he thought it was really good of his fans not to invade the pitch. Pull the other one would you fella…

Millwall fans inside the ground ripped up seats and threw them at West Ham fans, they threw bottles and other such missles. Which as far as I’m conccerned is a hell of a lot worse than running around on the pitch (although that in itself is pretty moronic).

Sorted.

Sam

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    4 comments for “Disgraceful, but not suprising.”

    1. However well intentioned, I do not see what purpose articles like this achieve less than 24 hours after the game. Let the authorities deal with “What went wrong”. I too was at the game and irrespective of what the Millwall manager said, the blame must rest equally with the minority groups of fans from both clubs that were intent on causing trouble.

      Does anyone really think that extra police and stewards would have stopped the violence inside and outside the ground? Or by putting the Millwall upstairs in the Centenary it would have stopped them throwing seats and bottles?

      We should not question the policing or stewarding of the game. Nor should the good names of Millwall FC and West Ham FC be dragged through the mud because of mindless violent thugs, the dregs of society, who have no interest at all in football, whose sole intention was to cause chaos at a football match.

      We must not forget that it was a good game of football, one that Millwall probably deserved to win as they played West Ham off the park for large parts of the game. We must not let the events of last night overshadow the stabbing of Calum Davenport, or the bravery of Jack Collison playing, and playing well, 2 days after the death of his father.

      Because of the history of the two clubs, this was almost certainly a one-off. It doesn’t make it any easier though.

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      Posted by TrevorH | August 26, 2009, 5:55 pm
      • I have been a west ham supporter for 50 years and have seen football violence since the 60,s when liverpool were promoted back to the 1st Div. (blame Liverpool & OMO (soap)
        Talk of prearranged fights is an absolute nonsense written by morons who never get from behing their screens and go to a game.
        Th Football league organised the game and set the time for the game not the fans. The police cocked it up and set the battle lines not the fans. Against spurs on sunday there were only about 100 police on duty around the area yet the game went off without any problems.
        KO time 1.30 pm.
        On tuesday all the local pubs were open and west ham continued to sell beer in the ground!!DUh.
        The “pitch invasion” was a farce small kid and old big fat beer bellies wandering over the ground in a meaningless demonstration of What ? No one got within 50 metres of the millwall fans.No players wers attacked (thank god) so where was the itimidation and RIOT.
        The attack on the stewards/police in the corner at the TB end was handbags.The fans stayed behind the wall all of the time and were not trying to get on the pitch but trying to evade the punches and batons of the stewards and police.
        This whole charade was just another attempt by the MET police to boost their o/t and get back into football grounds to attack innocent fans.
        Total score 10 arrests,1 stabbing (kids are stabbing each other every day in london) a RIOT my arse
        If u want to se organised violence and riots go to the carnival this weekend you wont see the tactical police as we do but silly coppers trying to dance and be politically correct!!!!
        Using the upper tier would have been the best opti

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        Posted by Boysie | August 29, 2009, 1:23 pm
    2. When you only charge between £10 – £20 for a match ticket especially against Millwall what do you expect? Morons from both sides basically who are not true fans and want to cause trouble will come. No real trouble 4 years ago when we drew 1-1 with Millwall at Upton park in a championship match at normal prices. There is history of violence and two recent films (Green Street for one) didn’t help either

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